Americans know nothing about Socialised Healthcare?
Posted in Health Insurance - Free QuotesI’m tired of reading the misconceptions some Americans have about Socialised Healthcare.
OK let me explain this again for the millionth time
In the UK we have both a National Health Service AND a Private Medical service. I keep reading American posters talking about how "everyone" under socialised medicine "has" to use the NHS, and its really "crappy" with long waiting lists etc
THAT IS NOT TRUE!
If you have the money in the UK you pay privately or take out insurance. then you don’t have to worry about waiting lists etc. Just because a socialised healthcare system is in place it does not stop you being able to use private healthcare if you so choose.
And the NHS is not crappy, most of us would be dead if it wasn’t for the NHS! There are sometimes waiting lists for non emergency ops but then if you have the money you can pay and get it done tommorrow!
Even though we have private healthcare most of us still use the NHS.
Just to put you straight on that.
Chsel - they turn down smokers because smokers are deliberately destroying their health and why should they then use up the government’s money for their treatment. They can pay privately.
You don’t pay separate taxes for the NHS. You pay your taxes, full stop. And the Government just makes use of the money thats in the pot to provide all its services. Its not a question of paying higher taxes for an NHS but of the Government making the best use of the funds that it has. American wastes so much money on foreign wars it could fund an NHS with that!!!
And our taxes are nowhere near as high as Americans seem to think they are!
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October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
I’m American and I couldn’t agree with you more. Most of us have no concept of what it is. It’s like science fiction to us. If there were two Brits telling us about it, one telling the tallest tales and the other telling that exact truth we wouldn’t be able to distinguish the which was which. Our system sucks. Slowly but surely those, those that make it to the UK or other countries where it exists will learn. Slowly but surely. Thanks for the post.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Well said, the americans don,t know anything about it cos they don,t have social healthcare.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Thank you for explaining that.
I am sure most Americans would be for that type of a Health care system as long as we didn’t have to pay for both private insurance, and then turn around and pay the government for the people who chose to use the government health care system. If I am paying out of pocket for my own health care, I should not have to pay a tax for other people.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Well said but why do they care ?
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
My money is mine property. It is a violation of my rights to promote laziness in America. And the same goes for using my tax money to pay for abortions, free condoms, human cloning and the list goes on.
The fact that we pay income tax right now tells you that the government already owns everything you have. Right now it allows you to keep your net income. In the future, that number will be less and less.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
I remember a puppet show from England. WHen THey found out the guy had Insurance, the medical staff dropped everything and ignored all the other patients, and pampered him.
Let me put it this way. THis would make Private Health care even more expensive and employers would drop the insurance stating it’s not necessary. DO you think employers would continue to offer insurance benefit??
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Thank you for the clarification. I’m not exactly sure where I stand as far as national healthcare (nor are a lot of people), and any information from people in country’s that have it is always helpful. I think a lot of people fear change, along with politics often getting in the way.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
So, your question is? Oh… no question. Just a rant.
We should all bow to the Queen of Socialized Medicine so that she does not get angry with us, and we don’t loose out on our health care!
God Save The Queen!
There is a saying here in America: "There is no such thing as a free lunch."
Thank you, but really, why do you care? We can take care of our own.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
We Americans don’t huh ?
So just what would you call medicaid and medicare then, if not socialized medicine ?
Since almost everyone over 62 years old, is on medicare, just how can you say Americans don’t know what socialized medicine is?
The biggest problem, with universal health care in America,
Is those who advocate it, simply refuse to tell anyone just how they would fund such a system.
They speak in platitudes, about how America spends more per person than any other country.
But they refuse to give any facts or specifics on
how much it would cost,
just how they would get funding for it,
who would control it,
who would make the decisions about what is covered
Who would decide medical salarys
who decides where care is offered
When they can answer those questions, then i’ll listen to them.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
I guess your right, you would be dead if it wasn’t for the NHS. That’s of course unless you smoke, because there’s been cases where they turned down smokers. Hmm. I guess their tax money just isn’t good enough.
But let me ask you this, if I choose a private healthcare system, can I no longer pay taxes for the socialized healthcare system or will I be forced to pay for both?
Respond: That’s fantasitic. Smokers are forced to pay for your healthcare plan but are not allowed healthcare. It goes to show how much Socialists value freedom. So much for it being free huh. You just proved my point.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. If you force an individual to pay for something but that individual is not allowed access to what they paid for, then your stealing their money. So screw your socialist healthcare system.
Oh yeah as for it being the governments money, IT NOT THE GOVT’S MONEY, ITS THE PEOPLES MONEY. The govt takes it from them.
Don’t go pointing me out when it comes to foriegn spending on war, I agree with you on that issue and want the troops home. I’m not conservative I’m libertarian.
Sage: American healthcare is the most privatized. ROTFLMAO. Our govt is all over our healthcare, that’s the reason for the high healthcare cost in the first place. The FDA regulates our drugs to the point that they have become extremely expansive. Look at the drugs that we can get over the counter and the one’s that are regulated. They are so expensive that the poor can’t afford the drugs they need. Not only that but you have to get a doctors perscription in order to get those drugs. That means a doctors bill. You could end up paying over $75 on that one bottle of medication, when you could of got it for the same price as the ones over the counter.
I agree that are healthcare system is over priced and its in a bad shape, but by no means will I endorse a Socialized Healthcare System like the UKs. Where when they state that everyone is fully covered, is obviously not the case.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
The Americans have a serious problem in that they seem entirely unaware of their own socialist history, which got buried and destroyed during the McCarthy era. A period during which anyone with ideas such as ’socialised health care’, free school dinners etc., was classified as a dangerous Communist and a member of the un-American Party or some such crap.
The Liberals in Congress are much less ‘liberal’ than they used to be and more of them are looking towards the British Labour Movement [it's history and success] with a view to introducing some of the same to the USA.
An American National Health Service is very much on the cards and Americans should embrace it with gladness in their hearts.
The American people won a Revolution but lost control of their money and their government. People are elected time and time again and the same old fusty crap is churned out. Nothing changes.
The American people should take up their battle standard, Old Glory, and go to it and take back their freedom and become again the Americans they once were - a free people.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
There are many Americans who do understand that there are many different healthcare systems around the world. They understand that ours is the most privatized (despite people like Jeepers pretending that medicaid means we have universal coverage), the most expensive, and lowest performing system in the developed world.
They recognize that a society that ensures adequate preventive healthcare and early diagnosis for everyone is going to be far more effective than one that does not, and then offers tokenistic emergency treatment, often after it is too late.
These people actually make up the majority in the US.
Please do not mistake the uninformed ignorant views of some YA members for the view of America in general.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Nicely put - but who cares what Yanks think?
So what if they don’t understand our health system - half of them think they have been abducted by aliens.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
My friend I think we’re right to be proud of our NHS. It’s a great instititution. There are some downsides though and I don’t just mean the ever increasing costs of the NHS. There is a problem with it in principle too. If the state takes responsibility for curing you then it feels that it has a legitimate right to refuse to treat you if you smoke, eat the wrong things, drink too much etc. I’ve heard that argument used and I find it sinister.
I think we should be looking for a proper balance between a totally nationalised health service and private provision - like they do in parts of Europe such as Holland.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
The NHS is actually pretty good.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Right wing conservative Americans, for whatever reason, equate "socialised" with socialism, which, in their distorted view, is the same as Stalinist Communism.
They would seem to have forgotten, or wilfully ignore, the one basic trait that makes us all human since the human species trekked out of Africa - the tribe always looks after its own and, if need be, outsiders too. Parts of the "American tribe" seem to have forgotten what it means to be human.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
americans no nothing full stop.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:01 am
You are absolutely right. I am Scottish but live in the USA now. I have used medical services all my life. The profit element is what kills US healthcare. Let me explain this simply.
The British worker earning average wage pays one third less in healthcare taxes than the US worker earning average wage pays in taxes and insurance. Throw in the employer’s share (which is usually over half of the cost) and you have a terrifying number. The issue is not so much "Can the USA afford universal healthcare?" Rather, it is "How much longer can the USA afford privatized medicine?"
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